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Sometimes I come across such a brilliant post in The Times that I really wish I had written it myself. This post is in reply to an article by David Aaronovitch : 'Macron offers us a way out of Brexit mess.' Published online: 27/9/2017. Paper version 28/9/2017 John T   1 day ago The fact that Brits (particularly Brexiters) thought Brexit would break the EU apart shows how out of tune we are with continental Europeans. It's no surprise we can't negotiate with them. We simply don't understand them. The 2 Global wars in which Continental Europe's 2 biggest powers, France and Germany, were the crucible prompted some introspection among them both, and one of the results of that was the EU. The EU was envisaged as their way of preventing any more Verduns or Holocausts. To achieve this, national interests which could easily become nationalist fervour were supplicated to ideals of pan European cooperation. Henceforth France & Germany would coo

artycelia   I am quite dreading the speech in Florence on Friday. I hope Boris is gagged and chained while Mrs May spouts another load of silly meaningless slogans and soundbites. ' We will survive and thrive following our departure from the European Union ' 'We will continue to have a close relationship with our European neighbours.' ' We will be enjoying new trade deals outside of the EU ' 'We are stuffed, can we call the whole thing off?' Boris wriggling out of his chains yelling, 'bus, BUS, what about the BUS? ' Ho hum. I am sure the EU are shaking in their shoes. What an embarrassing mess we have gotten ourselves into.

artycelia   'The Bill, as it stands is an astonishing monstrosity.' Dominic Grieve, Conservative, Beaconsfield, gives his opinion on the EU Withdrawal Bill this afternoon. (7/9/2017) Tom Brake (Lib Dem Spokesperson, Exiting the European Union) described the Bill as 'a sow's ear, and a 'power grab' by ministers. He has deep concerns regarding Human Rights. There are concerns in The House that by exiting the EU, Great Britain will have a less democratic society than it has now. Immigration, Economic Independence, and Sovereignty are key issues. There are worries about the Henry V111 Clauses particularly Clause 7 and Clause 9.  The fact that the Bill does not deliver any clarity is another cause for concern. There appears to be a lack of safeguards in place. So, overall, it does indeed appear that The Bill, in its present form is 'an astonishing monstrosity.' To be continued.

artycelia   Surely a 'vote of no-confidence' should now be the order of the day? Mrs May's handling of the Brexit negotiations is embarrassing and damaging. There will still be a Europe across the beautiful briny sea long after the British ship has sunk but does May realise this I wonder. She needs reining in, shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted will not wash. We need sensible, fair, and levelheaded policies to lead us out of Europe. But how I wish we could just stay. Mrs May is not inspiring confidence for the future of Great Britain.

artycelia   Will the government stop spinning and telling porkies please?! There is no mandate for Brexit. There is no consensus as to what Brexit will do for the future of Britain. The referendum vote was to stay or leave. Stay with what or leave with what? Who knows or knew? Shambles. A disgrace. Politicians should hang their heads in shame. I'm all right Jack no longer cuts it. My Conservative MP is as old as Methuselah, nice house etc unable to rebel against his own beliefs. Am really fed up with the status quo. I want to stay within the EU. There than here in an uncomfortable and disconcerting Little Britain. Delete

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